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we have never seen anything like this. you know al gore for example won every caucus and primary. there were points the year before when bill bradley was close to him. this is unprecedented. >> bob shrum, nina turner great to have both of us with us. that's "the ed show." "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. \s. good evening. thanks for tuning in. president obama is meeting with a key ally king abdullah of jordan, at the white house. just hours after isis released another video of a brutal execution, a jordanian pilot burned alive in this highly produced clip you can see the pilot wearing an orange jumpsuit and speaking into the camera. later he was locked in a cage and burned alive. the execution reportedly took
place a month ago on january 3rd. this video shows the moment when the pilot's father heard of news of his son's execution. around the same time the president was saying that the execution will not slow the coalition's attacks on isis. >> i think we'll redouble the vigilance and determination on the part of a global coalition to make sure that they are degraded and ultimately defeated. it also just indicates the degree to which whatever ideology they're operating off of, it's bankrupt. >> king abdullah will return to jordan following tonight's meeting with president obama. jordan has vowed revenge. some reports say they'll execute at least one of their own isis
prisoners. joining me now, congresswoman talsi gabbard, democrat of hawaii and iraqi war veteran as well as a member of the house armed services committee. also with me is jim arcadi siismt s, a fellow at truman project. thank you both for being here. congress congresswoman gabbard, the president is meeting with king abdullah as we speak. wang aimed at scaring jordan out of the coalition against isis? >> well first of all, i just had the chance to meet with king abdullah, along with other members of the armed services committee. we were able to express our condolences to him and the jordanian people and let them know we stand in solidarity with them.
under which these horrific acts are being conducted. whatever the intention was of this slaying, i think it's having the opposite effect where the jordanian people are very angry and are absolutely doubling down on their commitment to fight against not only isis but each of these islamic extremist groups that are causing so much death and destruction, not only in the middle east, but in other parts of the world. >> now you say you just met with the king and that the jordanian people are very angry. what was his mood? did he give any indication of the level of his anger? did he even discuss, infer, anything about execution of isis members there in jordan? >> he was very resolute exhibited strength and commitment to fighting against isis and these other islamic extremist groups wherever they are, that this is not just a
situation of an eye for an eye, but he recognizes this is a battle that will not only be won militarily but also will be won idea logically, and that we have to look at it within that context of a short-term goal and a long-term goal and the fact this is as much an ideological war as a military war. >> jim you hear the congresswoman talk about the anger, and you hear her talk about the king being resolved that they must fight both in the military, and in ideological way. how do you combat something like isis, jim? how do you fight this? >> well first of all, at this point it unfortunately has to involve our military. i say that with a fair amount of consideration, because at this point, and obviously going back to last summer, there is no question or military has to be involved.
right now it is obama administration is basically relies on authorizations from 2001, 2003 we have to update though. as we pivot to a longer term this is about ungonched spaces groups like isis al qaeda and iraq and al qaeda core have all come -- have all gained power because they're allow to do thrive in areas that don't have governance. >> i got that jim. what i'm trying to do is really cut through a lot of what people consider beltway talk. what can be done? i understand what has been permitted, but what can be done? we're talking about people beheaded. we're talking now about people being burned alive in a cage. how does their -- how do we stop this? how does there develop from this a real approach that the arab
nations that joined the fight against isis and others will be willing to participate in. this video that we have seen has driven a wedge between perhapses in fence sitters, where we've seen that both in its -- in what the attackers have said in terms of the coalition, and its involvement, will probably get to a point where the arab street for lack of a better term will become enraged at what we have seen and quickly pivot and begin to support their leadership in this fight. >> all right. congresswoman, on that -- this is the first video where a victim was burned alive. what are your colleagues do you feeling on both sides of the aisle? i understand authorization, i understand the need of congress to exert its influence, but what do you think that the congress both republican and democrats
are prepared to do in light of this with the whole world looking at the united states? >> i think first of all, you are right, reverend this is an issue that transcends part tan politics. you have democrats and republicans coming together from a broad ideological/political spectrum, recognizeing the direct threat that this islamic extremist movement the horrific activities are posing and that we must take action against that. i think the first step to do that is recognizing exactly who our enemy is. i've served in the army now for about 11 years. one of the very first things you learn is you must know your enemy in order to defeat them. we have to understand exactly who they are, understand their motivation, understand their tactics, that these are radical islamic extremists and then come up with an effective strategy to defeat them and that strategy may vary based on
the geographic locations of where they're active. it's not going to be a cookie cutter one size fits all the solution in order to defeat this enemy. the second thing we have tore careful of is to make sure this doesn't become a so-called religious war. just the other day i heard senator lindsey graham call this a religious war. that's a very, very dangerous thing. what that does is confuse the issue, and actually has a dangerous effect of fomenting religious bigotry, implying this is a war somehow maybe from christians to muslims, and mixing up the fact this is not a war against all muslims. this is a war against very radical islamic extremists. >> jim, reports say that the prisoners that jordan was planning on exchanging in exchange for the pilot will be executed, including a female would-be suicide bomber. what's your reaction? >> well as you mentioned in the
people, king abdullah of jordan said he didn't want to get down to an eye for an eye level. and i'm afraid this is basically what it is. i would encourage jordanian leadership not to just chuck out the rule of law. yes this woman was engaged in a plot in 2005 that went awry. she was convicted, but there was a stay on execution, and moratorium throughout jordan in 2006 reinstated last month. all of a sudden once we have this burning of the pilot, jordan has prepared to it looks like chuck out the rule of law and speed up her execution. when we stood down to the level of those who would do us harm it hurts our own legitimacy. let's adhere to the rule of law and make sure that we are holding ourselves to a higher standard. all right. congresswoman tulsi gab bard and jim arkedis, thank you for your
time this evening. >> thank you, reverend aloha. >> thank you. we'll hear from a kanszer survivor whose health care would be directly affected. also the vaccine debacle for two republican contenders. chris christie and rand paul scramble to contain the damage. plus an ugly legal fight brewing over the robin williams estate, and a surprising twist with mike huckabee's comments about beyonce. "conversation nation" is ahead.
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. laid today house republicans voting yet again to repeal the affordable care act, the first full repeal vote of the new congress. it's their 67th attempt to repeal revise or defund the law since 2010. 67b times we've heard them roll out their tired old talking points on the house floor. >> today congress will vote to
get rid of this fundamentally flawed an unworkable law. >> big liberal gourd government bodity as obama care. >> it's an act of pure political destruction. republicans have offered nothing in place of the law. they have offered nothing to help the 9.5 million people who have signed up for coverage this year and who would lose that under repeal. president obama has vowed to veto the bill if it gets to his desk. today he met with ten people who have directly benefited from the health law, and he talked about how the gop's political games could hurt real people people like regina moran of philadelphia. es. >> regina wasn't asking to have a series of canners.
and anybody who has a chance to talk to her would know we want her to succeed. she's overcome incredible odds. why would we want to take health caraway from her. to my friends on capitol hill i would ask them once again to consider why they would think it an important priority to take away health care for some 10 million people. joirchs me is emanuel cleaver of missouri, and regina. we just heard the president speaking about her. thank you both for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> congressman, why are republicans so determined to repeal a law that's helped million regain health coverage. >> i just voted against it again.
even a horrible coach would not run a play 54 times if it didn't work. this law has been demonized so badly and so often that in order to gain or maintain some level of response to that base, they're willing to do this over and over again, hoping the base doesn't understand it's going noplace. it's one of toes redundant political acts that signifies nothing. >> regina you met with the president today. tell our viewers what would happen to you if the affordable care act was repealed and your coverage was taken away. >> well mr. sharpton if the act was repealed i would then again be penalized for having a preexisting condition. i don't think myself or anyone else in america would ask to have cancer once let alone
twice. i would probably most likely be forced to pay a premium of about $500 or more a month with no prescription coverage. i am on several medications i have to take for the rest of my live that would probably cost about $1,000 a year alone just for medications. >> so you're not a political leader, you're not into the partisan bickering, but you had a preexisting condition and this act helped you and you're saying that without the act not only would you be barred because of the preexisting condition, but it would be beyond your means to be able to afford the premiums. >> it would be the act nod just helped me. it saved my life. it allowed me to breathe and relax and enjoy being cancer free. i've been able to plan my wedding and pursue my graduate degree. without this incredible piece of legislation, i wouldn't be able to do that. i'm not asking for a handout,
but just basic health coverage. i don't feel i should be penalized for a disease i never asked for. >> congressman, you and i are preachers, but no one said it better than regina -- i'm not asking for a handout. i want coverage. what about that can we get the republicans and others to understand? this is above partisan politics. >> well i think that the majority of americans, the overwhelming majority of americans are supportive of the affordable care act, even if they don't know it. we have 129 million americans with preexisting conditions who now don't have to worry about not having insurance. i think it's a theological issue, it is a human affairs issue, it is a medical issue, it ought to be a human right, if we have the capacity to provide medical care for anyone and this young lady is a perfect example, we ought to do it.
she's not asking for somebody to give her some kind of check that she doesn't merit. sheets asking for the opportunity to be a healthy american, and she'll take care of herself if she has her health. >> regina you know the president reads ten letters a day. you came to the white house's attention, because you wrote the president a letter not knowing that he would read it and respond. what made you write the president? >> i wrote the president, mr. sharpton sharpton, just because i wanted to thank him. as i want in my her there are no words in any language that did describe my deep and heartfelt gratitude. he truly along with everyone who worked on this piece of legislation really impacted my life. i wanted to express my sincere gratitude. they finally have allowed me to breathe and relax. other than hearing i was in remission, this was the best news in the world, hearing that i would have insurance and i wouldn't have to worry about it
for the rest of my life. >> what did you see to the president today when you met him? >> after saying, of course, it was an honor, i just explained my story and really truly how he's helped me and millions of other people in this country. ity to express my gratitude. >> congressman, i might add, when i mentioned regina's preexisting condition, she had already mentioned here tonight, she had cancer since she was a child, and i think that it's important people understand the severity of some of the preexisting conditions that has no hope without something like the affordable care act in terms of them getting insurance, and with this repeal the republicans would just take it away. >> it's tragic.
many preexisting conditions don't just occur to democrats or people who don't have jobs or insurance. regina has just sin spired me because i complain about the fact i have to trek from my office over to the capitol and vote no on attempt after attempt to repeal the affordable care act, but every now and then i think it's helpful for the nation and certainly for those of us here in congress to see a human face to see someone who has been helped by the legislative action. i thank the president for signing that bill. >> well thank you, congressman emanuel cleaver, and thank you, and god's blessings to you regina moran. i'm going to tell you, the congressman nor i will forget you. thank you for share your story. >> thank you, it was an honor. coming up a measles outbreak is forcing the 2016 gop
field to speak out on vaccinations, and let's just say it's getting awkward. plus olympic gold medalist and reality tv star bruce jenner, is ready to talk about transitioning to a woman. and emotional testimony today in the aaron hernandez murder trial. please stay with us. good job! still running in the morning? yeah. getting your vegetables every day? when i can. [ bop ] [ male announcer ] could've had a v8. two full servings of vegetables for only 50 delicious calories. you park your car. as you walk away crunch! a garbage truck backs into it. so,you call your insurance company,
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the science is clear, the earth is round, the sky is blue and vaccines work. let's protect all our kids. grandmothers know best. while she says the issue is settled, a lot of republicans -- a whole lot of republicans disagree. chris christie went into damage control mode after saying parents need quote, some measure of choice and senator rand paul said this -- >> i've heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking, normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines. i'm not arguing they're a bad idea. i think they are a good thing, but i think the parent should have some input. the state doesn't own your children parents own the children and it is an issue of freedom. but the theory linking mental disorders has been thoroughly debunked. today he had to walk that
statement back too -- i did not say vaccines caused disorders, just that they were temporally related. i support vaccines. meanwhile, others on the right are using the issue to attack the big bad government. >> i know what morals and values are right for my children and i think we should not have an oppressive state telling us what to do. >> i'm not trusting president obama to tell me whether or not to vaccinate my kids by the way. >> this shouldn't be about president obama, and it shouldn't be about politics. it should be about public health. joining me now, angela rye, and jason johnson. thank you both for being here. angela each of these republicans have said they vaccinated their own kids so why do they say the issue should be up for debate? >> because the president obama
said something different than what they said. just like you said coming into in block, this should not be about president obama, so much so that dr. rand paul -- let's not forget that this medical doctor had to walk a journalist in with him to get a vaccination to demonstrate just how supportive of getting vaccines hi is. this is all crazy, it's politics, and this is not a political football. this is a measles outbreak that has hit 100 people more people that is the ebola outbreak has hit. when you think about chris christie who wanted to quarantine someone who just displayed symptoms of ebola, it's interesting that his take on measles is so much different. >> jason, this is not a party line issue. some people are on the right and left are opposed to vaccines. but we're not seeing high-profile democrats if deal with this issue. why. >> el they recognize -- the republicans are doing -- there's a train of people in the
republican grassroots who don't trust obama, and who think that anything that has to do with institutions are inherently bad. this is a real problem for the democratic party. much less -- baugher bra bush sat with patients who had hiv, hugged them, played with them. look don't -- i can't believe the party is going to these -- >> it brings me to they a lot of republicans are coming out with this -- all shook vaccinated they want even ted cruz said children should be -- how do you
it seems like there's a problem with them dealing with things that are scientifically well established. >> especially when you have two doctors run foss president. but unfortunately i don't think it's necessarily the republicans have so much of an issue with science. they have an issue with anything that's going to go against their ideology. they don't believe that pollution is an issue, so they're going to fight the science but republicans love science when they want to argue against abortion. they love science when they want any sort of argument about how the economy works, so they only like certain kinds of science. measles is a communicable disease, we shouldn't be arguing about this because it's a safety issue, not a politics issue. >> a lot of this is about republicans being anti-regulation, antigovernment but if you take that too far, it can be scary, it can even be gross. listen to what senator thom
tillis set about the reg restaurant employees wash their hands after using the bathroom. >> i don't have a problem with stark bus aening loss 'they post a sign that says we don't require employees to -- the market will take care of that. >> i mean really angela? really? >> no really no! that is so disgusting. let me just say on behalf of starbucks, as a seattle washington born and raised person, that's disgusting. i wish he would have used another example. i hold that lowdown dirty, and that's a brand-new meeting. i hope he never touches me or anyone close to me. you have my former boss on earlier, congressman cleaver. he used to say all the time if someone does not wash their hands, they are a bad person. i think that is so true. that's disgusting. that's disgusting. >> and what is enlightning,
jason, is we never knew angela had a boss. [ laughter ] >> you're my other bos. thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you very much. coming up an emotional day in the aaron hernandez murder trial. the victim's girlfriend takes the stand. plus robin williams' widow and his kids fighting over the estate. the justice files is next. getting your vegetables every day? when i can. [ bop ] [ male announcer ] could've had a v8. two full servings of vegetables for only 50 delicious calories. meet the world's newest energy superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. supporting millions of new jobs. billions in tax revenue... and a new century of american energy security. the new energy superpower? it's red, white and blue.
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from "mork & mindy." but williams left his wife the house, contents and money for upkeep. his wife says that as she grieved, things were taken from the house. the response man for the children released a statement to nbc, saying in part quote -- robin's children want nothing more than to be left alone to grieve. the fact they are being force booed these legal proceedings adds insult to terrible injury. nbc also reached out to williams' widow, but she has not yet replied. faith, legally what does this fight boil down do? >> i think it will boil down to the definition of memorabilia. this is his third wife he married in 2011. prior to that, in his will he left his entire estate to a trust with his three kids as the beneficiaries. after he married his third wife
he updated that will to include her in the will now saying if i die, everybody in the house, in this house is to be left to her. so now the kids want to go in and say, hey, there's memorabilia in there, that belongs to us. we want to go in and get our father's meemorabilia so she's going to court essentially to get clarification on what that means. how does a judge work that out. >> hope any he can bring them together to work it out, but then he looks at what robin williams intended. he will probably look as most the the memorabilia he accumulated before he ever married his third wifr so i think the judge will take that into strong consideration and the children probably have a good argument that a lot of that was intended to be left to them.
will there be attempts to get outside parties or some outside evident as to what ms might have meant more specifically? >> right, if it goes forward to court, i'm sure they'll have testimony, maybe calling in the children will probably testify to what was meant about this will, but the judge will look at the four corners of the document first, and see if he can interpret the four corners of the document and go forward from there. now to emotion hall testimony in the aaron hernandez murder trial today. the former nfl start is on trial for first-degree murder. he and two other men are accused of killing semiproathlete odin lloyd nearly two years ago. the victim's girlfriend got emotional talking about the phone call from police she'll never forget. >> approximately how long did that call last? >> maybe ten, 15 minutes?
>> and did you learn something at that time? >> yes. >> and what did you learn? >> that odin was dead. >> she talked about seeing hernandez as well moments after the murder saying he comforted her by saying the pain would get better with time. faith, this was dramatic testimony. what's your take? >> the prosecutors -- oy din lloyd is dead but he was a person who was loved by people his girlfriend his mother his family. the prosecutors want to show that through these witnesses. this is not just someone we're going to put up on a screen a corpse they found on the ground this was a human being loved by a lot of people. in addition her testimony is crucial. she's talking about the relationship between odin lloyd and aaron hernandez, a big part of the defense's strategy here is to say the prosecutors can't show a motive. odin lloyd was aaron hernandez'
friend. why would he kill his friend? then you have this witness who say they were cordial, they weren't that close, and remember, her sister is aaron hernandez' fiancee. you have those two women on opposite ends of the courtroom in this case. very interesting dynamic. >> very interesting, very painful. faith, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. coming up reality star bruce jenner begins his personal journey. and also mike huckabee's comments on beyonce could be backfire, and everyone is going cede for left shark, could his moves be the next dance craze? conversation nation is next.
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it's time for "conversation nation." joining me tonight, mike.com's liz plank, legal analyst eric gusta, and the host of -- carolyn teranni. thank you all for being here this evening. i want to start with a surprising celebrity story. olympic gold medalist bruce jenner is probably best known now as a reality tv star as
kris kardashian's soon to be ex-husband, in "keeping up with the kardashians." you thought you knew everything about it but today we are learns the 65-year-old is transitioning to become a woman. his mom confirming it to radar online saying ifr never been more proud of bruce for who he is. i am more proud of him now than when he stood on the podium and put the gold medal around his neck. he is expected to tell the story in an upcoming tv interview, liz, how much of an impact can this have on the transgender community? >> i think it has an incredible impact. for two reasons. first of all, bruce is taking control of the narrative. he's taking control of his own story and in his own words. i think that's incredibly powerful.
is a we'll be able to know how he identifies as transgender, or if it's a cross-dresser situation, or just identifies as someone who is gender fluid. so it will be interesting to see bruce choosing his own language to identify himself. also for us as the media to have a moment of introspecs and look at the way we talk about the story. the tabloids have been atrocious. >> absolutely. >> it's been harsh to watch. >> absolutely. i think the way we've been talking about this issue has been quite frankly appalling in some cases, the way we have been presuming on bruce jenner's behalf. we have not mardy from bruce jenner yet, and transsessioning isn't a start/stop process. the education that needs to go around the people is marked and underlined the way we've been treating bruce jenner throughout
this -- >> but eric here was one of the most famous athletes in the world. i mean for him to take a stand, this is huge. >> it is. the problem for the people who don't understand it he's 65 years old, three wives later and a house full of kids later, he's doing a transition which is very hard for some people to wrap their minds around. because he waited so longs to go and do this. even to identify himself as wanting to not be a man, so it's very hard for some people to grasp. >> when we look at the media coverage, it's clear why. i mean look at the way he's been treated. >> let me move to something quickly. could mike huckabee's beyonce obsession be backfiring? last month the former fox news host was very vocal in his criticism of beyonce, calling her music mental poison. now in a new poll of likely iowa
republican caucus-goers it shows 61% think he went too far, when he questioned the president and the first lady to letting their daughters listen to beyonce. carolyn, is the culture war more complicated than he thought? >> i think that mike huckabee is more simplistic than we all thought. absolutely. i think it says a lot when as a republican and you're appealing to an iowa base that they are siding with beyonce over you. talk about -- >> iowa voters and republicans voters are certainly an example, yet they are siding with beyonce on this. >> yes, music transcends any political party. when huckabee went after beyonce, a pop icon he messed up. this is the same guy who sang a ted nugent song so he is not the type of person that people
want to follow. he has almost sunk himself, i believe. >> what is the instruction here for other politicians? there a lesson? is this a teaching moment? i mean, this is iowa. the lesson is don't go after beyonce. she's like apple pie, we can all agree she's amazing, so it's interesting to see the republican party disagree on that, or all agree that she is amazing, but she's more than a music icon. she's a female music icon a feminist icon. in a way she sort of serves as a proxy for women. for huckabee to go after her i think will not turn off the base, but the female basis, and also not just music. >> he also went after the president and first lady's parenting on this. >> it's just tacky, quite frankly. if you can't attack the president for his policies let ate not attack him for the budget which was proposed this week instead a low blow and go after his parenting?
quite frankly one would hope going into 2016 you would want to avoid that. >> when he aed the parenting, so many of his republican base have children listening to it. if you say that -- and they're listening to it. >> if you take the ipod into the gym, they're listening to beyonce. you're telling them they're bad parents as well which will really -- >> calling it poison. and people everywhere listening to it what are you saying about them, liz, when you say the music is poison? >> everyone loves beyonce. this comes back to my point. >> don't touch beyonce. >> it's interesting to see her make an issue of beyonce, whether it's fox news talking about voters as a synonym for female voters. can we talk about policies? >> it shows how out of touch they are, right? >> i think there's a silver lining to this. i'm seen republicans use the
culture wars very successfully in the past. maybe that day is over. maybe it doesn't work anymore. i think this is a good thing. liz, eric, caroline thank you for joining the conversation. when we come back two women who helped change america's views on race in the news today. theraflu severe cold won't treat your runny nose. really? alka-seltzer severe cold and flu relieves your worst flu symptoms plus runny nose. [breath of relief] oh, what a relief it is. mommy! hey! [ female announcer ] we help make secure financial tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people. [ susan ] my promotion allowed me to start investing for my retirement. transamerica made it easy. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. transamerica. transform tomorrow.
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we close tonight with news about two women who changed views in very different ways. rosa parks, and award-winning author harper lee. tomorrow the library of congress will open a special rosa parks collection revealing a new side of the woman who famously refused to give up her seat on a montgomery bus in 1955. in one note she talks about that decision saying quote -- i had been pushed around all my life and felt at this moment that i couldn't take it anymore. also today, exciting news about harper lee, who wrote "to kill a mockingbird," the story of a southern lawyer who defend a black men against a false charge of rape.
it became an award-winning film. >> never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view. >> yes, sir. >> to climb inside his skin walk around in it. >> the literary world was stunned today to learn that harper lee will publish a new novel, her first in 50 years, continuing many of the characters and themes of mockingbird. rosa parks and harper lee, two women who were small in stat tour, but who made a big impact on how americans thought about race. i think about viola louisa who lost her life fighting to give all americans the right to vote in alabama, as we look at the movie "selma" and prepare to go to selma for the 50th anniversary. i think as a teenager i was a youth coordinator for shirley
chisholm's candidacy, another woman small in stat tour but moving america forward. they faced racism and sexism with dignity and integrity and helped change the nation for the better and make us all better in the process. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. hbo startsoib "hardball" starts right now. \s. win here or die. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris mast thew in washington, welcome to this special edition in "hardball." we're one year from the new hampshire primary, and no candidate has won the nomination for president without placing at least first or second in the live free or die state. as we pass the months between now and new hampshire, it becomes clear to me t